A Scotch for the Road - Part 5
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WARNINGS: Slavefic. NC-17 just in case, tho not yet needed. M/m, F/m, Femdom.
WORD COUNT: 5K
SUMMARY: A slave enduring a party encounters more than he bargained for.
NOTES: Based on a weekly prompt made in
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FEEDBACK: Always welcome! Sorry for any typos.
She spoke gently into his ear. “I’ve been miserable since I lost you. I’ve spent four years searching for you. Why would I ever give you up?”
Brett trembled, her warm body and her familiar perfume surrounding him, stirring old memories. He ached with the desire to surrender, to believe her words and return her embrace as if they had never separated. But there was a gulf of four painful years between his naive, trusting past self and who he was now. Had she really looked for him all this time? He wanted so badly to believe it, that she'd never stopped caring about him, but life had taught him that nobody really wanted him. Not forever.
Born to privilege, she was beautiful and she was rich. What could she need him for? There was no way she could still love him after all these years. He’d believed her before, but they’d both been young and stupid back then. In the past he’d known why she valued him, but they were both older and different now, and she’d had four years to forget him. After all he'd been through in the intervening years, he felt ten years older now, not four, and he could no longer take her words at face value. He’d spent too long believing she’d abandoned him.
If she’d really been looking for him, she would have rescued him from Donovan. With her family's money and connections, it shouldn’t have been hard at all. He let the doubt show in his voice. “If you were searching for me, couldn't you have tracked me down from the auction your cousin took me to?”
“I did. That asshole Donovan refused to sell you to me.”
His heart froze. She really had gone to Donovan. “What?”
She explained the whole story, how she hadn't been careful enough with Donovan, and the spiteful bastard wouldn't sell Brett to her at any price. Donovan had a close partnership with the Cassidy family, rich industrialists and archrivals of the Vanlean-Warrens. He'd never sell Brett to any Vanlean-Warren, especially not a young family member in love with his slave. For him it was too amusing to maliciously deny her requests. He hadn't even let her see Brett, much less buy him.
It explained a lot of other things to Brett, things he'd never tell her. Donovan hadn't treated him badly at first, but he’d suddenly turned cruel, treating him much worse than his other two slaves. The only explanation he’d gotten was that his master had decided Brett was too proud and needed to learn his place. The man had used Brett as a punching bag on a regular basis, and the days when he hadn't been sore from one punishment or another had been few and far between. He never treated his other slaves as harshly, and at the time Brett could only wonder if Donovan had noticed how depressed Brett was from being abandoned by Jenna and had decided to make him even more miserable. Now he knew Donovan had singled him out because he'd found out Jenna loved him.
“How do you like it here, slut?” Donovan would often ask him smugly, a sinister light in his eyes. The man knew Brett hated him and this place.
Brett quickly found out there was no good response to that question. An honest negative answer would get him a beating and a rough fucking, and an affirmative lie would end in the same result. And he'd get curses and insults flung at him accordingly either for what Donovan called his bad attitude or for being a liar. Afterwards he’d be chained up in the dark basement again, until the next round of torture began.
Terrified and depressed, Brett eventually stopped wishing Jenna would come and save him again. He'd never really believed she would, not after she let Master Derrick take him away without protest, but for a while he let himself hope that it had just been a big mistake, anything to get him away from Donovan. But months passed and she never came, and as the abuse continued his hope died. He didn’t even hope for Donovan to sell him one day; he just wanted to die. Jenna had betrayed him, breaking his heart, and Donovan made him so miserable he just wanted it all to end. Sometimes he wished that Donovan or one of the man’s friends who ‘borrowed’ him would go a little too far when he beat or whipped or fucked him, and accidentally kill him.
Unfortunately his master was obsessively careful not to scar or damage him permanently, much less kill him. The man didn't want him to lose any of his value. And once Donovan realized Brett was suicidal, he'd taken extra glee in inflicting maximum pain while still making sure he wouldn’t die. All Brett could do was wait for his master to eventually get bored with him, and hold onto some of his good memories with Jenna to resist Donovan’s constant attempts to prove that he was a worthless slut.
Over time he did notice his master getting more and more frustrated, his temper even shorter than usual. Cursing all the while, he sold his other slaves, then his fancy cars, and then one day he finally took Brett to a black market. In the end Donovan hadn't sold him out of boredom though; his master’s severe displeasure had made it obvious he hadn't wanted to part with any of his possessions. If Brett had still been capable of feeling any joy, he would've cheered when Donovan left him at the market. Instead all he'd felt were relief and exhaustion.
Master Yorkfield certainly hadn’t been the kindest of men—the man considered affection a sign of weakness—but he was nowhere near Donovan’s level of cruelty. Maybe it was partly that after Donovan, nobody was that bad, but more than anything else, Yorkfield was just plain contrary. He’d like something a certain way for months, but then one day complain and change it around. And so he’d follow the man’s new instructions, but Yorkfield was just as likely to turn around a few days later and demand it done the old way, or a completely new way. The man was fair at least; he never punished him for following the previous orders, but it felt like his master was constantly testing him to see if he’d trip up, which did happen occasionally. For a slave who’d decided he wanted to be left alone as much as possible and just live on autopilot these days, these erratic and frequent changes were a frustrating nightmare. He knew it was the man’s sadistic streak coming out, because his master had realized he liked following a predictable routine. Yorkfield was intentionally trying to confuse him, and he hated it.
But other than that unpredictability, the man had been stern but fair, and he knew there were far worse owners. Yorkfield he'd at least been able to think of as a proper Master; he'd always hated Donovan far too much to respect him. He'd feared him as much as he hated him, but it still wasn't true respect. Brett had learned what real respect was with Jenna; he'd admired and loved her—until she betrayed him. With Yorkfield, as long as he followed his orders—ever-changing as they might be—he could usually avoid punishment. And that was all Brett had come to care about these days: avoiding punishment so he could remain numb.
Until Jenna returned tonight, bringing all these feelings rushing back. Part of him hated her for doing this to him, for driving all these emotions to the surface. Especially hope. He’d left hope behind back at Donovan's years ago, and he didn't want her resurrecting it.
But it was hard to maintain that resolve with her hugging him, his head lying against her shoulder, her soft breasts pushing against his chest, her hand brushing gently through his hair, and his face buried against her neck. The familiar scent of her, the scent of the only home he'd ever known, was drawn into his body as he breathed deeply. But with determination he tried to ignore the effect she still had on him, focusing on the explanation she was giving him.
The knowledge that she had come for him after all... He started to believe, if only a little bit, that maybe she hadn't really abandoned him. But shouldn't she have been able to find him later? She'd had four years to do it. At least she'd admitted she messed up, that she should've spoken up to Derrick when he came for him. Surely the fact that she felt the need to explain and apologize to him meant that she still valued him; he wasn’t worthless, as Donovan had tried to convince him he was. The awareness that Donovan had known about Jenna’s feelings for him put a new spin on the man’s constant need to push him down.
But her apologies didn't erase all the pain her bad decisions had caused him over the years, starting with Donovan. He kept his arms at his sides, still not returning her embrace. And the promise he'd made to himself in the car on the way here burned within him. Despite how much the word wanted to slip out at times, he wouldn't call her Mistress again until he felt she deserved it. She could order him to, but he was pretty sure she wouldn't force the issue, not under the circumstances.
Meanwhile, she continued her story. She told him that she'd later ensured Donovan’s financial demise, hoping it would prod him into selling Brett. Chances were she’d more likely be able to buy him from someone else. Instead she'd never found out what happened to Brett; he'd just disappeared. She'd hired three different private investigators, and none of them could find him.
“The black market,” Brett whispered, finally knowing why his master had been willing to sell him there, even if for a lower price. To Donovan, despite his financial difficulties, it would’ve been worth it to score a victory over a Vanlean-Warren. Marcus Donovan was monstrously ruthless; Brett had learned that personally. He shuddered at the memories of Donovan's abuses towards him.
“That’s what the PIs told me,” she said, responding to his murmured words. “They tracked you there, but despite tapping all their black market connections, they never discovered where you went. Too many brown haired, brown-eyed slaves that nobody bothered to look at close enough to recognize your picture. And while you were there your registration was changed, so I couldn’t track you that way.” Her arms tightened around him. “I'm so sorry, Brett. He took you there on purpose, so I wouldn't find you.”
Sighing, he closed his eyes. “I know that now.” It was standard procedure at the black market to have slaves’ registration changed, for obvious reasons, since most of the slaves there were stolen.
Her arms tightened around him. “I kept checking all the slave markets in the area. I put up photos of you in all of them, in case you went through there and I missed you. I even went to some of the large ones further out and talked them into putting up your picture and contacting me if they found you.”
He leaned back away from her, needing to see her face. She released him and he frowned, looking at her pensively. “I’ve been through the regular markets three times since then.” Living by the coast for the past year with Yorkfield, near where they were now, he'd ended up a few hundred miles away from where he’d started four years ago, but he still should've been within the range of her search.
She sighed, and she looked tired then. “I could put up as many pictures as I wanted, but I couldn’t make them keep an eye out for you.” She hesitated here before adding, “After I tried to bribe Donovan into selling you, it drew my family's attention. I'd never asked any of our accountants for such a large sum of money before, and the employee told my father about it. When they found out why, they all thought I was crazy.”
She described the revulsion she'd faced from all her family members. They were disgusted that she'd fallen in love with a mere slave, and had reacted accordingly, from lectures to outrage and much more. Her parents had threatened to cut off her funds if she continued to pursue Brett.
“I'd known they'd be opposed to us, but I wasn’t prepared for that,” she told him.
The thought that her parents' threats would be enough motivation to stop her wasn't really surprising, but it still hurt. He bowed his head, his eyes shifting away from her. He knew he wasn’t worth losing her trust fund over.
“No, I don’t mean it like that,” she said softly, one hand reaching out to clasp his shoulder. “If I had to I would've run off with you and said to hell with their money. But to persuade someone like Donovan to sell you to me or to offer a reward for info on you, I needed money, honey. And I didn't have any of my own, not back then.”
He turned back to her, frowning. “But you do now?” Her explanation made sense, but he hadn’t understood what she meant by that.
“Yes. Let me explain.” Her hand rubbed his arm, making the skin there tingle distractingly. She'd always done that to him. Then she paused, meeting his gaze as her expression softened. “Let's get off this hard floor first though. My knees are killing me.”
Dismay flooded through him, an automatic response to not attending to or realizing her discomfort. Regardless of whether he trusted her or not at this point, a lifetime of training couldn’t be easily overcome. He stood quickly, his own legs accustomed to rising from a kneeling position, and offered a hand out to assist her. She took it and he held his other arm out, which she grasped for balance as she rose from the hardwood floor.
One hand still entwined with his, she tugged him towards the couch. Despite his discomfort with more intimate contact with her right now, he regarded it as an unspoken order and followed her there.
She sat down in the middle of the sofa, leaving room for him next to her. He hesitated; it had been so long since he'd been allowed to sit side by side with a free citizen, he felt uncomfortable doing so now. Although at one time he’d been used to doing that with her, it had only been permitted a couple of times in the past four years.
“Brett,” she murmured then, her fingers squeezing his hand comfortingly. “It’s okay.”
Meeting her eyes, he wondered anxiously if anything would ever be okay again. Yes, he was back with Jenna, the Mistress part of him still loved—even if he would only admit that to himself now and not to her, never again—but for how long? How long before she changed her mind, or her family changed it for her? What was the use of all this, when it would only end in pain?
“Brett,” she said again, her voice firmer now, the Mistress in her rising closer to the surface. His attention directed back towards her, he bowed his head in acknowledgment and she tugged at his hand again. This time he followed the movement, sliding onto the couch as he let his worried thoughts fade into the background, focusing on obeying her for the moment.
Her fingers loosened around his hand as she gave him time to settle on the couch, and then he crossed his arms in front of his bare chest, feeling awkward. He kept his head turned slightly away, but he felt her burning gaze studying him as the silence lengthened, and it only added to his discomfort. Biting his tip, he shifted, adjusting his position so his head lay sideways in her lap with his folded arms, his legs curled up on the couch.
“Is that better?” she asked, and he could hear fond amusement in her voice.
“Yes,” he huffed out softly, which was the truth. It felt wrong to lie in her lap like nothing was different and no time had passed, but at least it was a better alternative. Sitting face to face and having to look at her as she told him more tales and platitudes was much worse.
Her hands lowered, one stroking his hair again while the other caressed his arm. He marveled that even four years later, she still had that same need to touch him frequently. During those eight months, even when she was focused on something else she'd often reached out to idly caress him. Back then he’d loved the constant reassurance that she wanted him around, but later he’d cursed it. It had spoiled him, making him ache for that affectionate physical contact ever since.
Those months with her had changed him in more ways than he'd realized at the time. Masters like Yorkfield—sadistic but mostly fair—would have seemed acceptable, if he hadn't known her, and known that there could be more to life.
Being used for sex would’ve always seemed normal, if he hadn’t learned the difference between sex he was forced into, and sex he actually wanted for himself. Unlike some slaves, he’d never gone down the risky path of getting intimately involved with another slave behind their master or mistress’s back. So she’d been his introduction to sex that he chose to have, rather than was pressured into. Not that Jenna was the only person he’d ever felt pleasure with, but she’d allowed him the option of saying no, something no one else had ever done. Even so, it had taken a while with her for him to truly understand that she was giving him that freedom to refuse, because he’d never had it before.
And he’d never had it again since. Yorkfield would at least make sure he came each time, but he would never have allowed Brett to refuse the use of his body. As for Donovan… the more he could hurt Brett while fucking him, the better it was for him. Brett’s pleasure had only mattered when Donovan was in the mood to humiliate him further; he loved forcing Brett into coming as proof of what a weak, useless slut he was. One of his few ways of defying the bastard had been not giving him that last satisfaction.
Jenna's fingers shifting to part his hair away from his neck brought his attention back on the present. She rubbed his bare skin gently before moving down to touch the collar around his neck. She turned it a bit and tapped the lock. “I'll have to get the key from him tomorrow,” she murmured, referring to her meeting with Yorkfield the next day.
He wondered suddenly if she would replace it with her own collar. His chest tightened at the thought; when they were together before he'd still been wearing Derrick's collar. He'd never worn hers before, and he speculated whether it would be a sign that things were different this time, or just an illusion that would torment him.
His fists clenched at the thought of the second possibility, and he hated the uncertainty of the situation. Her hand reached over to clasp his fist, her thumb stroking his hand. He knew she was trying to comfort him, but no amount of petting was going to soothe away his fears.
She seemed to realize it too. Brushing her other hand through his hair again, she asked, “Do you want me to continue? Or are you feeling tired? Do you want to wait til tomorrow?”
He shook his head, which rubbed his cheek against her thigh through the silken dress, reminding him of how close to her center he was. A rush of memories of pleasuring her flooded through him for a long moment, before he shoved them away with the reminder of her betrayal. He cleared his throat and said, “I'd rather hear it all tonight.” Better to get it all over with, get the whole picture, and let it all sink in.
“All right,” she acquiesced, her tone heavy. This wasn't a story she was eager to tell, he observed.
But she kept going. “I was talking about my family’s outrage. Well, the only ones who didn't condemn me for it were my younger sister—who is an idiot and thought it all very romantic—and surprisingly, Derrick.”
“Derrick?” he asked, unable to keep the shock out of his voice. He wouldn't have expected Derrick's support at all.
“Well, he didn't pretend to understand it, but he didn't think it was the family's business to interfere. To him, if I wanted you, why couldn't I buy you? He didn't care.
“But everyone else did. And after the fiasco with Donovan, they didn't want me obsessing over you anymore. They were watching me like a hawk to see if I did anything else crazy, like steal you from Donovan. So I started working in the family business, devoting myself to the job. I knew I had to convince them I was ‘cured’ or whatever they wanted to call it. But I was able to push for ways to undermine Donovan's investments. I let them think it was simple revenge against him and the Cassidys—for other things they'd done—and they went along with it, because they hated them too.
“But after we ruined Donovan, I knew they were waiting to see what I did about you. When you vanished, at first they thought I'd done it, but they quickly made sure I wasn't hiding you anywhere. And they were ecstatic that Donovan had thwarted any plans I'd had,” she told him bitterly, her loathing for her family's interference clear in her voice.
“I secretly hired those investigators to search for you, but they turned up nothing. As for those pictures and inquiries I made at the slave markets, I learned later that my father had gone to those places after me and paid off the owners to not give me any information on you. They were only too happy to take the money for doing nothing.”
Her fingers tightened around his, and her next words were said harshly. “I was so naïve. When I first found out Derrick had sold you, I thought that with my family's money and power, it would be so easy to find you. I never considered that that power could and would be turned against me to sabotage my search.”
He clasped his other hand on top of hers. “I never thought of that either.” It was true, he hadn't, but it made sense. He'd always been afraid of what her parents would think if they found out how close they were. Brett believed now that she really had tried to find him, and been impeded. He squeezed her hand once gently before letting go.
Continuing her story, she said, “After the attempt to bribe Donovan with my family's money and their reaction to it, I realized I needed to gain independence from my family. If I didn't need them anymore, they couldn't control me. So when I started working for the company, besides getting revenge on Donovan, I planned out what I wanted to do.”
She described her plan, telling him how she'd shown her business sense to her family, proving herself trustworthy with investments and contracts. After finding out what her father had done at the markets, she'd thrown herself fully into work, giving up the search for a while. Creating a good reputation for herself along with her family name had opened many doors to her, and she'd made investments and deals on the side. All in all, in the past four years she'd made enough money to be able to break away from her family whenever she found Brett and survive on her own. As she put it, it was easy to make money when you had a lot of money to work with.
It didn’t sound so easy to him, but the scope of her plan impressed him. She'd known it would take a long time, but had planned accordingly, and in the process convinced her family she was over her infatuation with Brett. But he wondered how much she'd bothered to search for him while she was making all this money.
“It sounds like you've been very busy,” he said carefully, the closest he would come to asking her his real question.
He felt her eyes study him for a long moment. When she spoke, she gave him the answer he was looking for. “Busy working, but once my family thought I was over you I started looking for you again. I didn't trust the market owners not to run back to my father again for more money, so I didn't try that again. But I checked with the slave registrars regularly, looking through their files to find you. Unfortunately, they don't bother entering photos for the listings, or it would've made my search much easier. All I had were descriptions to go by, and I checked out a lot of slaves with your coloring and that were about your age. But it was never you. I went to the slave markets on big auction days, hoping I might see you. That never worked either.”
There was rising frustration in her voice as she spoke, and he turned to look up at her. Her head was bowed, and a tear dropped onto his face as she continued, “I tried everything I could, but none of it ever worked.” She choked out a laugh. “And then tonight you appeared like magic. As if I shouldn't have even bothered with all the other stuff, because I wasn't meant to find you until now.”
He shared her frustration; he wished she'd been able to save him from Donovan four years earlier. If she had, it would've been so much easier to forgive her for not telling Derrick the truth.
Wiping her eyes with the back of her hand she continued, “It's funny, I believe in making your own destiny. For example, that if I worked hard enough I could take control of my life and alter it, make it into what I wanted. I don't believe that everything happens for a reason. But maybe with this, with us, it does. I worked so hard to find you and failed every time. And suddenly when I wasn't looking, there you were.”
“I don't know,” he told her honestly. A slave had no control over his own fate; he'd never had the luxury of being able to direct anything in his life. For a moment his chest tightened as he wondered what his life might've been like, if he hadn't been born a slave. What might he have been instead? But slaves knew not to waste time on senseless what ifs, and he focused back on the present.
His mouth curving into a soft smile, he added, “But it makes me feel better that you tried.”
She sighed heavily, but smiled down at him in return. “Then it was all worth it.” She disentangled her hand from his, and ran it along his upper arm and shoulder.
Jenna looked up and away from him, staring out at the rest of the living room. Her voice turned musing as she said, “Maybe it was a good thing that it took me all this time to find you.”
“What?” he gasped out, stiffening beneath her. Anger rushed into him just as he'd started to forgive her.
She seemed to realize how her words had sounded and hastily explained, “Of course I wish we'd never been separated in the first place. But these four years have given me time to plan everything out. It's all different now. Nobody can interfere with us. So maybe it all played out as it should, because it was better this way.”
He moved away from her, rising to a sitting position. Memories of the torture and abuse he'd suffered during the past four years flashed through his mind and he scowled, looking away from her as he said bitterly, “Better for you maybe.”
Eyes widening, she apologized. “Oh God, I'm sorry.” Her hand moved towards him and he got up, shifting out of reach. He couldn't handle her touching him right now, not when he was so furious.
“Brett,” she pleaded, “I didn't mean it like that. I'm sorry, I wasn't thinking.”
He swallowed thickly, unsure of what to say and still feeling outraged. He knew what she'd meant, and he knew she didn't know what he'd gone through all this time. But it didn't make him any less aggrieved at the fact that she could have avoided it all if she'd acted more wisely four years ago. And for her to dismiss her mistakes and the past four years like that, to say that it was better it had turned out this way...
The careless selfishness of it offended him deeply. If she really had never stopped loving him as she was claiming, how could she even think that? Unable to look at her at the moment, he said roughly, “I know.”
He glanced at her stricken face for a moment before turning away and walking to the doorway.
“Brett, wait,” she called, and he halted automatically, even as his teeth gritted angrily. Furious and hurt as he was, he still couldn't disobey her.
But he didn't have to turn and face her, just stop. Not wanting to hear any more hasty apologies, he spoke again before she could. “I know,” he repeated. “You didn't mean it like that.” Using her name aloud for the first time that night, he added softly yet firmly, “But I can't talk to you anymore right now, Jenna.”
This time she let him go.
Part Six
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Date: 2008-10-09 08:59 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2008-10-10 10:19 pm (UTC)I'm glad you really like this story too though. I have a soft spot for it as well. :)
Thanks for commenting! :D
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Date: 2008-10-11 09:43 am (UTC)no subject
Date: 2008-10-11 02:12 pm (UTC)Anyways, thanks for reading and for commenting. :)
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Date: 2009-04-26 08:24 am (UTC)no subject
Date: 2009-04-28 08:12 pm (UTC)And sigh, Matt. Yes, he's self-absorbed and he CAN be nasty or mean (mostly due to his bad temper), but he is capable of concern and has been manipulated. I still find him interesting and likable overall, even as I agree he's a jerk. :P
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Date: 2009-04-29 01:23 am (UTC)no subject
Date: 2009-04-29 08:18 pm (UTC)o.O
Date: 2008-10-27 12:50 am (UTC)But I notice I have an unread part of Spliced, so I'll quit my pushy whining and go read that instead! Cheers!
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Date: 2008-10-27 02:33 am (UTC)Lol, well I kinda find it funny that some ppl online won't read het anymore. I mean for me the point is that gender doesn't matter, so I'll read slash OR het, I enjoy both. (And I'll obviously write both.) Like if the gender of a character could be switched and everything else remains the same, and that makes the story be good instead of bad for you (or vice versa) it just seems kinda silly to me. But I know ppl have different tastes. :P
You're obviously free to have your own opinion and read/not read as you wish. Just commenting. :P To each their own.
*edit* I wanted to add that I have been toying with doing a spinoff story from here about Yorkfield... and his next male slave. :P Whenever I have the time... one of these years. XD
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Date: 2008-10-28 02:15 am (UTC)Anyway, I just wanted to explain in case that first comment seemed lacking in respect.
PS, I pity Yorkfield's future victim then, if he's gonna carry on...
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Date: 2008-10-28 03:38 am (UTC)And I understand what you mean. There's plenty of stuff that I read to satisfy my kinks. (Slavefic totally isn't one of my kinks... Ahem, right. XD) That's what most of the fic online thrives on, satisfying kinks. That's why ppl write them and that's why other ppl read them. Good writing, as you mentioned, is of course an important issue too. I mean if you're tripping over typos or mistakes every other line, it takes you out of the story...
Oh I have so wondered about women and slash. I think it's so nonsensical that (at least here in the US) it's totally acceptable for men to be into seeing two women making out, etc. but it doesn't work the other way around. Obviously looking at the huge amount of slash out there, there are plenty of women into men being together, but it's not accepted in mainstream society that a lot of women would enjoy seeing two men like that. Sigh, double standards. I don't know how it is in the rest of the world though, when it comes to this issue.
Thanks for clarifying your feelings on the issue though. Like I said before, I believe everyone is entitled to their own opinion, of course. We all have our kinks! ;)
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Date: 2009-01-03 07:16 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2009-01-05 05:19 pm (UTC)wow its been almost 3 months since i write this, poor Brett left hanging. I will get back to you, my boy... someday. :S
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Date: 2009-01-05 06:51 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2009-01-05 09:00 pm (UTC)Lol, shopping scene that was your wishful thinking! You mentioned that in an email. ;) I shall have to write one for them eventually though... I've done it in my head already. ;) And Brett does need some clothes... he didn't actually come with any. Ahem. XD
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Date: 2009-04-05 12:45 am (UTC)no subject
Date: 2009-04-05 11:28 am (UTC)no subject
Date: 2009-04-22 06:06 pm (UTC)Female characters in both slash and het stories tend to come either as the victim or the bitch. Writers aren't good with middle ground or realism for that matter. Curiously, they're also happier to write woeful stories of the poor raped and abused male character! But if the character is female then it's all "Geez, why hasn't she got over it already?! What a whiner!"
Perhaps it's too much like looking in the mirror. If the writer is a woman who's had these experiences, she can distance herself from it with the male character. But the female character gets all of her self-loathing for not being able to get over it.
Or the sex. Sex with the males characters can be fantasy. Sex with the female characters they know the reality too well. So you get the "Yeah, right. Men are not THAT good or attentive in bed with women. Gimme some slash."
Ah, who can really know.
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Date: 2009-04-25 12:55 pm (UTC)And another factor is definitely the fantasy vs realism meter inside readers' heads... a female reader will never have the experience of personally feeling what male/male sex is like, and as you said, then they don't have real sub-par experiences to compare it with when they read a m/m sex scene. I hadn't thought of it that way, but you're right. And yet there are plenty of women out there buying romance novels off the shelf, so apparently idealistically perfect het sex is okay in published works but not online? So strange.
When writing an original main female character in online fic, there's this wall you have to get past. The Wall of Mary Sue-dom, if you will. Because so many online readers have this assumption that any female MC they come across is a Mary Sue (or likely to be one). So as they start reading the story there's this subconscious comparison going on between her and Mary Sue characteristics to see if she fits them. It's like a defendant in a trial being presumed guilty first and having to prove their innocence.
In some ways, you're cursed before you even begin. You have to work extra hard to make a female MC acceptable. I know I struggled with that in Spliced with Kate. I wanted her A) not to be a Mary Sue and B) to be likable. I think I managed to do that for the most part, but the problem I realized also was that she wasn't as interesting as my male mains. She's healthier than they are; not as broken lol. But it's fine because I didn't want to spend a lot of time sorting out her issues. She has some, but at least I don't need to go into them (and I think most readers wouldn't want me to bother anyway). The story is long enough already!
As for Scotch... I had to give this whole explanation to show that Jenna was flawed but not a bad person. And yet I can still think of at least one person who commented that they really didn't like her anyway lol. Yeah, it's so hard for original female main characters to be accepted on the Internet. XD Sometimes I am just stumped, and overwhelmed.
Thanks for the discussion. Gah, Mary Sues! It makes me want to hunt down every author responsible for starting this and shake them. Hard.
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Date: 2009-04-26 08:22 am (UTC)There's something else. You're writing online. In a free market where pretty much anyone can read your story if they can find it. So realize this: it is your story. And it really, really doesn't matter if someone says they're not going to read something if it has het scenes. Write what you want to write. Run it through your betas to make sure of spelling and sense (and of course try not to contradict yourself without a reason for it such as "neener neener this was a secret and don't even TRY to tell me I'm ret-conning!").
Technically, Min IS your Mary Sue. He's won the heart of the semi-nasty but cool man who bought him and that man REALLY doesn't even know him. He's the one around whom this story has to revolve. The Andorian slave who's been made different. Not completey Andorian, and not doomed to die an early death. Smart as a whip and fighting to become a sane adult. It is perfectly fine for him to have had a woman lover. The story could also have worked with a Mistress rather than a master, but would YOU be able to write a woman strong enough for this without her being a bitch?
Jenna, here, you've already written in the traditional female role. Rescuing the man from his dire straights and being blamed however semi-irrationally by him for what he's been through. He's not without reason, but he's not right. In the real world, men with that kind of attitude become abusive, manipulative boyfriends and they destroy the trust of any woman who thinks she can help them. Ah, sorry. I've been through this in my real life. That's the hard part about real life versus fiction. It also makes me pretty hard to impress for fanfic writers. Fortunately, I'm only one person and it's not your job to impress me. This is something you choose to do either for fun or for purging your own demons.
I've seen some people try to cleverly disguise their Mary-Sues. One Buffy fanfic writer put out this well-written but vile story wherein Xander dies and gets resurrected as a Crow and all of Buffy's decisions were influenced by The First except for the decisions that the writer gave to Xander and mean ol' Spike was all evil even with the soul (after all, Xander died because Buffy chose to save Spike over him in this story). And Faith loved him and got verbally bitch-slapped for having been a bitch but then went off with him into the sunset after he thoroughly defeated the First Evil and stripped Buffy of her Slayer powers....
The writer couldn't understand why everyone who read it said it was a Mary Sue.
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Date: 2009-04-28 09:03 pm (UTC)And you're right, if anyone is a Mary Sue-type in this story, it IS Min/Alex. He is the character that is "special" even if I did try to temper things (such as making him have several siblings so he's not the only one with this background). However, I've looked at those Mary Sue tests before, and there are a LOT of popular/famous characters that would hit warning levels of Mary Sue-dom. Basically, you have to write the best story you can and develop your characters as best you can - flesh them out to have strengths and weaknesses - and you can get away with a lot more.
The story could also have worked with a Mistress rather than a master, but would YOU be able to write a woman strong enough for this without her being a bitch?
It's funny you say that. When I was coming up with the basic concepts for this story, I wanted to take a familiar scenario in slavefic and turn it on its head. So I wanted a slave that seemed docile but actually had more going on, and a master that wasn't a reluctant owner at all at the beginning of the story but that might change his attitude by the end of it. And to do all that, I needed the slave to be really unique, and strong enough to stand up to him. And that's how making Min 'different' really started. I already had the concept of Andorians, but how could I make a slave that should be so submissive rebellious in reality? So I actually approached it from the opposite direction lol.
And when you break the story down even further, Kate was an important part of Alex's development. If he hadn't been in an equal relationship like that, he wouldn't understand what he'd like to have Matt, because slavery certainly wouldn't have taught him anything healthy. Of course these 2 are a long way from anything healthy, due to both their history with each other and their backgrounds. Sigh.
I see your point with Jenna. What people did to Brett during their years apart is THEIR fault, not hers. Her responsibility is only indirect at most. However, to be fair to Brett, these first 5 parts all happened within the space of what, an hour or two? I think he's still overwhelmed and reacting irrationally. He never thought he'd see her again, and he's believed for years that she lied to him and intentionally abandoned him. I'd say the man's still in shock. With some time to adjust I think he'll see things more rationally.
Ugh, that's quite an elaborate way to hide a Mary Sue character. Although apparently they didn't even realize it was a Mary Sue situation. Sounds like the other characters got assassinated just to build up Xander even more. Sigh!
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Date: 2009-04-29 01:19 am (UTC)But it doesn't matter if the character is Mary (or Marty) Sue, if you are a good writer. And certainly to all of us reading this you are!
I'd find it hard to believe anyone really stopped reading Min's story because there were het scenes. So it's my opinion you didn't lose anyone. So some people who can't stand het will refuse to read this other one on that basis... ah well.
I mean, I read slavefics despite the fact that more than half of them evade such important subjects as venereal diseases and what slavery is really like. Min's story only evades the VD *grin*.
You know, though, I often wonder if there is any historical research dealing with if any male slaves in the South were raped by their masters? I'm afraid searching online really hasn't worked. And I'm in Japan. English-language data is sorely lacking.
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Date: 2009-04-29 08:42 pm (UTC)Thanks. All this talk of Mary Sue characters was making me very nervous!! XD
Ah well, you always win some and lose some. Not gonna lose any sleep over who might skip over what story. I am writing for fun, after all. ;)
Lol, wow. It's funny that you commented on VD. I've been working on the next chapter, and that subject finally got a mention. :P I think it's not just a slavefic avoidance by any means though. The more distasteful details tend to be skipped over in any sort of romance literature. Realism is a wonderful thing, but so is taking along that grain of salt and being aware that this stuff is fantasy. It kinda ruins the atmosphere when you have to bring up stuff like that... so it's a balance between realism and preserving that atmosphere.
Hmm, I never thought about that. I'm sure it happened of course, but I haven't done any reading up on it. Okay, I just did some searching but everything online seems to be focused on the rape of black slave women, with no mention of men. I'll let you know if I find anything concrete.
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Date: 2009-04-30 12:25 am (UTC)no subject
Date: 2009-05-28 11:01 pm (UTC)Gahh I am still shaking my head (at myself) at my previous comment of slaves-that-stop-being-slaves! I really hope you did not take it as Min/Matt reference, as I told before it was meant for other stories!
And now I am going to ramble a little bit more, because I was tempted of reading all these comments before posting my comment. So I wanted to just say it again: I love how you are able to write such a great slash fic (Spliced) and Scotch and Echoes a great example of great femdom! I think until now I have been able to find only good stories about male owners AND female owners and the same with male slaves AND female slaves in Slavebreakers and YOUR three stories! Really I hug your stories for not bringing overly sweet stuff into a master-slave setting or bring it to sadism and brutality!
And I really do not discern between het and slash, a good story and the persons (gender does not matter) are the essentials IMO! ;)
I have to agree with alienfish on Brett, interestingly as other readers dislike Jenna I do not, I actually like her, but want her with more Mistress attitude! I am still biased against Brett, I know he is in shock, but blaming her for what other people did to him? But again as with all the Min/Matt misunderstandings its what makes it fun to read! I just hope Jenna copies some of the assertiveness I see in the Queen of Echoes! :D
Waiting (im)patiently for another chapter! Thanks!
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Date: 2009-05-29 01:14 am (UTC)Lol no, it's fine. Matt is definitely not like the owners in the ff.net stories you were thinking of. So I know I'm in the clear!
Wow, that whole paragraph makes me feel wonderful. I'm really flattered and happy that you think so highly of my stories! All of them. *grin* I do try to walk the line of not being overly sappy or overly cruel with my M/s pairings. I mean the day I write something like this:
Alex: I love you so much!
Matt: No, I love you more!
...someone please slap me. Hard. XD My Spliced guys... they are men; they are angsty, but they aren't sappy. Even when they do have a sweet moment, they are gruff or embarrassed about it. *grin*
My essential thing is that I can't really write the girly male slaves, and I don't enjoy the really submissive slaves as much as the ones that I feel have something more going on. (I think you can see that from Min and Kurth.) Although I love writing Hollis/Nuit and think they're very sweet, I think they work best as supporting characters. I couldn't write a whole novel on them. But Brett slipped in there one day and (politely) demanded to be written. Him and Jenna have been so vocal lately, and I've found that I really like peeling back some of the layers on Brett and seeing what lies underneath. I feel like my challenge here was that I wanted to write a slave that was more that submissive type, but still also show that he is a man not a boy, with a man's foibles.
Yeah, I enjoy both het and slash as well (as you can tell from what I choose to write). I mean I figure, why limit yourself? As you said, a good story and good characters will always win over gender. (Bit of Spliced trivia for you - At one point I considered making the Kate character male, but I felt there would be way too much testosterone in the story then. I needed some balance. :P Plus, I just think it worked better for Min/Alex's development.)
Glad to hear there's another Jenna fan! ;-) Hmm, Jenna with more assertiveness. Well, there is more to learn about her, and really they are just getting started again. Plus, she is starting off here from a position of guilt, knowing that it's her fault they were separated. But I will say, that if you were comparing her to the Spliced slave owners, she's a lot more like Hollis than Matt. That's just how I saw her from the beginning. She treated Brett a lot better than anyone else ever had, and it almost killed him to lose that. And now here he is, pulled out of his shield of apathy, with all these emotions flooding back in. No wonder he's confused and irrational. But you are right in that he shouldn't blame her for other people's actions. We'll get to that. ;-)
On a similar note, when you're creating pairings, you need your characters to match up well. You need a particularly strong-willed, clever slave to change one very stubborn Kartan's world view, and an intelligent, resilient slave to deal with a capricious, fierce Queen. Brett and Jenna? Not quite as overwhelmingly complicated, but still fun and a good match. (At least for me, I hope for others as well.) A Queen that's practically a force of nature wouldn't find Brett nearly as interesting as someone like Kurth (or Min, for that matter). And Brett would be terrified of her; hell, Kurth fears her and he was a military officer that saw his share of war. XD
Okay I believe I've rambled long enough instead of writing! ;-) But thanks for all your lovely comments. I really do appreciate them! Thank you. :D
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Date: 2009-05-29 04:49 am (UTC)Hollis and Nuit are my absolute favorite pair of a loving relationship, even if one owns the other! ;) But there wouldn't be such a nice story, if Matt is the understanding owner who thinks of his slaves as persons and Min is the I-only-live-to-please-my-master slave! We wouldn't have this delicious tension between them! :D
Brett is your "submissive slave"? Jejeje! Submissive was not exactly the word I had for him! But you have paired all your six people perfectly! I also think Brett would be terrified of the Queen, when even Kurth is intimidated (and totally smitten) by her!!! Jenna being more Hollis for him is better!
Well I think I took enough from your writing time with my rambling! ;) Thanks!
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Date: 2009-05-29 04:48 pm (UTC)Aww, I'm glad you love Hollis and Nuit. And yes, the story wouldn't be nearly as interesting if Matt were open-minded and Min was submissive. The tension is just too fun! :D
Lol, well submissive compared to Kurth and especially Min. XD You'll see as the story progresses... he was upset that first night, and not his usual self.
You're right; Kurth is both intimidated and fascinated by her. After five years of tedium, she makes for an interesting--and overwhelming!--change of pace.
And no problem! I find other ways to procrastinate besides writing comments. :P If I'm not in the writing mood, usually it just won't happen. Sigh. So you weren't interrupting. ;-)
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